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- MAN: You murdered this man?
- Yes.

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- You tortured him.
- Of course.

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If you had that moment
to live over again...

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I'd have kept him alive
a week.

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But you would have still
tortured him

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- and killed him.
- Oh, I'd have tortured him

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for a week, yeah, instead of
three days, definitely.

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You believe him? Do you think
he really was a snitch?

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Oops if he wasn't.

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MAN: Are you remorseful?

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- Not at all.
- Why?

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Why would I be?

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What's the difference?

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Everybody has a reason
to kill.

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The thing inside of me,
it's like

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the appetite --
it's like a wolf that's...

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feeling the hunger.

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WOMAN:
Around five a.m.,

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Phoenix firefighters
responded to a fire on

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the church's property --
while putting it out,

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they noticed a badly charred
body in a container.

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Detectives now say the victim
was a white man, 46 years old.

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There's a level
of violence and sadism

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to the crime,
and the level of overkill,

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the level of torture, that this
victim likely experienced tells

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us this is somebody
we're dealing with

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who doesn't have any regard
for human life.

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This is likely somebody
who either had

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a level of rage or vendetta
against the victim.

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He used a wheelchair to get
around -- whoever killed him

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knew that he was vulnerable,

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which made him an easier
target, and also likely made it

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easier for them to overcome him
and overpower him.

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MORGAN: She's trying to do
image management.

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She's gonna
look really cold,

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like hardened person
who can kill people.

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So she is concerned with how
she's gonna be viewed.

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There's a narcissistic element
to psychopathy, and there's

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the control element,

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to be in charge, and she's
doing both of those things.

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DERIGHT: Simpson is confessing
to a brutal murder, and it's as

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if she couldn't be bothered
with anything in the world.

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She's sitting there having
a snack,

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taking a sip of her soda,
as she's admitting to it.

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She has a very flat affect.

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She's not showing
changes in the tone

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of her voice
or her facial expressions.

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She's saying it
as if she's telling

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you what she ate
for breakfast that day.

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SAHNI: That ability to change
who they are, to change how they

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approach you, how they present,
how they look.

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That chameleon skill is very
much a marker

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of the type of psychopath
that navigates

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different environments.

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They're able to lure
victims in

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by studying them,
learning what it is

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that's gonna be the hook
for that individual.

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She likely would have been
more flirtatious, more cunning,

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which is what allowed him
to trust her and go with her.

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And that is not likely
the person

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we're seeing in any of
these interviews.

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SAHNI: There's no evidence
that the victim

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ever was an informant.

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Simpson sees herself as some
kind of a vigilante.

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It's her job to decide
who lives and who dies.

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She is firmly convinced
that her view is

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the reality
and justifies her action.

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With psychopaths, once they've
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there's this
narcissistic approach.

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Like I know it all,
I know what I'm doing.

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I don't second guess myself,
because I'm right.

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They've decided they know
what they're doing.

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So she was a little more
impulsive in that way.

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Simpson seems
to think of herself as

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on a different level
than other people,

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such that she believes
this person

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is so wrong
for being a snitch,

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she acted on something
that she had little basis

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for knowing.

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She thought this person
was a snitch.

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It didn't end up
being true.

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She still has no remorse
for it, and she

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was so extreme in what
she did to this person.

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Simpson gets a high
off these interviews.

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She gets to recount
the crime.

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She gets to remember the most
sensational aspects of

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the crime -- by putting
a mirror in front of him

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and showing him how badly
beaten he is,

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it's deflating to the victim --
victims start to, at some point,

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give up hope,

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and when an individual is
sadistic, and they need that

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high, it banks on
the victim fighting,

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resisting,
showing force and fear.

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SAHNI:
She's referencing a song,

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"Show Me How to Live"
by Audioslave.

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Her decision to throw
this idea out there

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that she was following
the lyrics of a song

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I think is just
an impulsive response

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to the investigator.

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She then clarifies
that's not actually the lyric,

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it should have been the hand
instead of the head.

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This has absolutely nothing
to do with the crime.

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She did impale a three-inch
nail into the victim's head,

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and I think that was
a plain and simple decision

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to turn the temperature up
on the amount of torture

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she subjected the victim to.

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People with psychopathic
traits are apt to target people

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that are weaker or vulnerable,
because they're easy

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to overtake.

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They have a strong sense of
knowing when someone is going

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to be an easier target,
and they will prey on them.

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It's likely that she thought
that, because of his disability,

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he was someone that she could
more easily overpower

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and kill, basically.

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She -- she wanted to be able
to have someone who

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she'd be able to take out
without a lot of effort.

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SAHNI:
He was physically disabled.

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Her decision to dismember him
and cut into even where he had

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had knee surgery
really just speaks to

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this was a science experiment
for her.

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This was really no different
than how a high school student

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might dissect
an eyeball of an animal,

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a cat, a frog.

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This is someone who did not
see this as a human being.

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This was just
for her own stimulation

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and benefit and her own
curiosity, really.

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Simpson's description of
the victim and his limbs,

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as if it's
a chicken carcass being

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cut up for a roast and for
dinner, really speaks to just

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how much she dehumanized
her victim,

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how her relationship with people
is 100 percent instrumental.

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It was about getting high --
she took that opportunity to

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celebrate her kill, and she was
proud of what she did.

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There's absolutely
no doubt about that.

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You see that pride in how she
recounts what she's done to him.

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MORGAN: She gets annoyed
when they're asking --

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when she has to explain,

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did she clean the walls,
did she get rid of the carpet?

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And she sees
all that as irrelevant.

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That's tedious.
Those are trivial.

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Those are
non-important to her.

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This is the narcissist
response in psychopathy to

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being asked detailed questions,

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because if she thought
they were important,

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she already mentioned it,
and you see the irritability,

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because that's
the confrontation

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between who's running
this thing, and so she says,

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"That's irrelevant,"
and she dismisses it.

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MORGAN: I think that
she knows this is

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shocking to the interviewer.

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She's trying to make it funny,
and nothing's funny about

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what she's talking about,

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and so we see this is that
superficial and glib humor

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she's demonstrating --
one impact of the behavior

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is that it controls
the interviewer's attention.

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It's an emotional lure.

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It's playing
with the interviewer.

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The other one is that it
projects an image,

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that she's beyond
feelings of these things

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that we all might
find horrifying,

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which is a superiority view.

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Like, I'm beyond the thing
that you might find shocking.

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DERIGHT: This seems to be
another way that --

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that she was celebrating.

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It was kind of a victory lap
with this chair

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that he was presumably
known by in the community.

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So she feels like
she won this battle,

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did a good thing, and was
showing off, essentially.

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This is not someone
who did

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a terrible thing
and is trying to evade capture.

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This is someone
who is literally

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riding around town
on the wheelchair.

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My view of Simpson's dropping
breadcrumbs, hints about other

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crimes and things,
is her way of

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not only controlling
the interview but controlling

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interest, the emotions,
of the interviewer.

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She's presenting herself as
a seasoned and skilled person

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who can kill people,
so she's an expert,

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right, and stuff doesn't
bother her, and she's not gonna

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get other people involved,
because she can do it.

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She's done it before,
but we're not gonna talk

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about that --
it's teasing.

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With psychopathic individuals,
when they

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have a history of animal harm,

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it's not surprising that
it starts during childhood.

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Oftentimes, they start with
small animals, such as birds,

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squirrels, hamsters,

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the family rodent,
the family cat, the family dog.

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And the significance of
starting with small animals

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is that they're easy
to overtake.

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They're easy to overpower.

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It's easy to control them.

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When Simpson references that
she hasn't gotten an elk yet,

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that's both a reference to her
being a predator and a hunter,

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and everyone else
that's living being prey.

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[laughs]

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MAN: Women generally
don't commit crimes

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- this heinous.
- Right.

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MAN: You know, this is usually
the domain of men.

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- That's unfortunate.
- You think more women should...

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Oh, yeah -- equal
opportunity, definitely.

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- Will you kill again?
- If the opportunity arises?

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I hope so.